The Evolution of Event Hashtags on Twitter Show 185
On todays show Jon Trask, Mike McAllen and Elisabeth Glau talk about 3 hashtags
Elisabeth explains what a hashtag is, how it can be used etc…..
#Eventprofs Event Professionals started in 2009
#WEC09 #WEC10 #WEC11
Some cool tips and tricks from Elisabeth like WiseStamp , how to create a event hashtags etc…
Eventprofs mentioned: @elizabethglau @jontrask @mmcallen @jeffhurt @michaelmccurry @jessicalevin @mizcity @ready2spark @tahiracreates @greena_v
Speaker 1: Hello Jon.
Speaker 3: Hello. Hello.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining me once again.
Speaker 3: No, sorry.
Speaker 1: Before we get started I wanted to thank pathable.com, one of our sponsors. They built online communities around your meetings and events and also quickmobile.com, they build mobile apps for your event or your meetings. Elizabeth, today I think we are going to do a show about the evolution of three hashtags and just talk a little bit about hashtags.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah why don’t you kinda lead us on this journey of hashtags?
Speaker 2: Alright. Thank you, Mike. So we’re gonna talk about a little bit about Twitter 101 to get us started for those of you that’s are not as familiar with what a hashtag is and how you might use it. So on the Twitter Feed if you see a word that has a pound sign in front of it that is considered a hashtag and the way that people use these are to distinguish a certain topic or subject or an event which is actually what we’ll be talking about as well today.
So there are three that are mainly use in our industry. The three that Speaker 2:we’re gonna talk about today are Events Profs which would be pound sign Event Profs so short for Event Professionals. I believe this was started by Lara McCulloch in roughly 2009 and now it’s pretty much the number one hashtag for people in our industry to communicate with each other and in all types of postings about you know links to articles, commentary and things relevant to the meetings and events industry end up with the people who post the Event Profs hashtag somewhere in the middle or at the end of their tweet.
So that if you did a search just for that specific hashtag the pound sign Event Profs and you would only see those tweets which for a lot of people that are just getting started on Twitter that’s an important skill to learn. It’s how to filter out the good stuff, how to filter out the people that are in your community and the tweets that you really wanna see as opposed to what a lot of people still think you know it’s just a lot of garbage about people talking about what they had to eat.
So if you can learn how to utilize the hashtags which I’m assuming correctly it’s not something that Twitter even created. It’s something that users created on their own and it’s just kind of took off and now it works really well to you know filter out the content you’re looking for.
So Event Profs is you know the main hashtag that most of us in this industry use and then EventCamp so pound sign EventCamp which is all one word was started by Mike McAllen and a few others in our industry who were all using the Event Profs hashtag. So if you can imagine a day when you all didn’t know each other, how fully does that see at this point, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you were you know meeting people on the Event Profs hashtags. So you were tweeting away and you know you see these tweets from somebody else that you’ve never met you know face-to-face or real life and you may actually start a conversation with them because they might you know post a tweet that you want to respond to whether it’s you know good, bad or ugly you know all of that goes on certainly but it’s for good conversation. So you kind of meet people on social media channels and using hashtags kind of a main way to do that. So Mike, maybe you can just give us a brief history about how you the EventCamp and the hashtag and actual event that started.
Speaker 1: Well, I used Twitter for — I’ve been using it for long time like since 2007 I think.
Speaker 2: Uh-hum.
Speaker 1: And I was just diddling around on that because I’m kind of a nerd and I started meeting people you know chatting with all kinds of different people and then this Event Profs started and they started this really going to those weekly chats that they have.
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You know they have a topic and some of them would moderate it and you’d all go into you know follow that hashtag and everyone would be you know there’s like you could go to like a say like tweet, chat or something and you just follow that one hashtag the whole time the Event Profs hashtag for that time that the chat was going on and it was pretty fun to be able to have a conversation with everybody. Of course everyone else is watching that Twitter stream, the regular Twitter stream wondering what the heck is he doing and then like talking to people. I mean you know a lot of topics and things were all over the place.
So I think it was confusing for a lot of people and probably a lot of people still wanna get involved in it but once we did the Event Profs thing for a long time I heard a couple of people Christina Coster and Jeff Hert were talking about doing a live you know getting the face-to-face group to bring all these people together in one place and so I said oh, I’d be happy to help so then I did the production of it.
So that’s kind of how it started and we did it in New York I guess two years ago and it was really fun, weird, weird thing because you had known all these people from you know from Twitter and then here they were and you got to see them face-to-face. It was a very strange kind of a big and it felt like camp kind of a thing where we’re all just kind of you knew everybody so it was kind of exciting but.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That’s kind of how it started.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I talked a lot. I’m sorry. What was your question?
Speaker 2: That was perfect. That why I wanted to you know kind of you know you know how you got started and who was involved in that so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really fun. I probably had no budget whatsoever like nothing so nobody had heard about it. You can get any money so I got people to donate a lot of stuff which has been happening still or to follow up face-to-face the once that have happened so we had another like national one which was like the main one and then there’s all these off shoots one at Twin City Event Camp. There was one at East Coast. They’re having one up at Vancouver in November and another one in Washington DC in November so it’s kinda exciting the way it’s kind of –
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: – evolved.
Speaker 2: And it’s an interesting you know study just tell me about yourself and you can just certainly listen to our pod recap from Event Camp in Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the interesting difference I think to point out is you know this event that was literally just started by some volunteers and you know went out and you know some of you and you don’t have to spend a lot of your own money over a couple years you know getting this thing you know still going and finding sponsors to provide the things that you needed to produce the event whereas the third hashtag we’re gonna talk about is the WEC hashtag.
So for the past three years anyways we’ll just talk about 2009, 2010 and 2011 so that you see as an event that’s put on by MPI. So this is a very large membership organization and people spend a lot of money to be a member and then you spend a lot of money to attend to these events. So I was just thinking after you know on the plane ride home from WEC this year I was just trying to you know kind of analyze a little bit how the conversation after this event specifically had changed over the past three years as you know certain people had started learning you know Twitter in 2009 and have evolved and where we still have a large portion of our community who are you know just now trying to learn it or have yet to you know try to learn how to use Twitter and get involved you know learning hashtags and using them at events something like that.
Speaker 1: It was really fun at those events like WEC if they have like a tweet up you know like where everyone who follows like the hashtag you can say hey, there’s a tweet up at this time and you can actually will meet the people you know at the event like WEC that was the first time I had ever done that and it was really fun to meet.
Speaker 2: Exactly what you were you know trying to accomplish with EventCamp. You know if you have a tweet up at a larger event like WEC then you do get the opportunity to meet people face-to-face maybe that you are seen on the Twitter streams. You know you’re seeing their — the fun part about it is you’re seeing their Twitter names. So depending on how close their Twitter name is to their actual name you may or may not recognize someone if you do meet them face-to-face until they tell you what their Twitter name is. So something I tried to do you know more often now if I remember to do it is write my Twitter name on my nametag even though my Twitter name is my real name. People don’t need that extra connection get it. Oh, Elizabeth Glau. That’s your Twitter name. I get it.
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Speaker 3: Well, you even started putting those like in our signatures, on our email.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Along with your email address you know your Twitter handle and things like that so people can reach you in a variety of ways.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know I’ve even gone bigger and I used the program called Wise Stamp and it will pull in my last tweet that I tweeted out into my signature. So not only can you –
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: – follow me from there but you can actually see whatever my last tweet was that I tweeted out. It’s kinda funny because it makes me a little bit more you know I paid a little bit more attention to it thinking oh, okay now that tweet is gonna go to people that I’ve been emailing about whatever subject. I mean obviously I can delete it all there but you know [Cross-talk].
Speaker 1: I would be scared to do that like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well. We have different tweeting styles so.
Speaker 3: I would you be scared for you to do that too, Mike. [Cross-talk].
Speaker 1: That’s funny. But one thing I wanted to ask you about Elizabeth is just making sure which hashtag you’re actually using because for example while we were talking on my tweet deck I called up the hashtag WEC not WEC11 and I got the world endurance championship.
Speaker 2: Awesome. That’s a great point and actually it’s worth mentioning WEC specifically because and this is the way for you know event planners to think about it. You need to create the hashtag that you want your attendees to use and you need to advertise it profusely so that you are making sure that they are all on the channel that you want them to be on so that you can monitor the things that they’re talking about and again this could be you know good, bad or ugly and you know I’ll dig into this you know in a whole another you know podcast and I do on some of my blog posts as well but you know the reason why you should be monitoring you know what your attendees are saying on a platform like Twitter while they’re at your events. So you need to tell them what the hashtag should be.
So WEC use which I write you know the format is WEC09 was the one they use in 2009, WEC10 and then WEC11 this year. So something to keep in mind as you’re creating a hashtag for your event is you don’t wanna make it too long because it takes away from the 140 characters that you have in your tweets. So the longer your hashtag the shorter you know amount of space people have to actually you know to put in a link and you know put in their tweets and there are links shorter of course. Some of you may not know Twitter is now automatically shortening links if you send out your tweets from the Twitter platform itself. It will automatically shorten your link for you.
Speaker 1: I saw a conference that you said that with hashtag and it really was it was like 20, it was like the whole conference written out on their hashtag and it was on their webpage I can’t remember what it was but it was such a bad idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No one can tweet with that and of course people aren’t gonna use it then they’re gonna make up another one that’s shorter.
Speaker 2: Again, you need to you know hire a social media strategist to help you with all of this.
Speaker 1: That’s a great idea. I mean that’s a great thing to do.
Speaker 3: You know there is an actual strategy behind this. It’s not just random.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I don’t think it’s true. I mean for example wouldn’t you wanna do hashtags for each individual session in some cases rather than having an overall show that you might have another one per session so people could be giving direct feedback within a room that sort of thing, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it’s definitely something to you know talk over with you know somebody that kinda knows a lot about Twitter and engagement strategies because something WEC did not go well was they tried creating a hashtag for each day. So there was like WEC11mon like for Monday. So their hopes were that you would you know include both the hashtags I guess or that you would just use Monday and everyone would — no, I think they wanna do this both because if you were talking about content from fashions on Monday you wanted to you know include that hashtag as well but unfortunately, I don’t think we’re thinking about was most people are using these platforms from their mobile phones these days and it’s hard to follow more than one hashtag when you’re adding that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And so yes, you could definitely set up one for a session specifically if you wanted to you know make sure that you’re monitoring — if you have a facilitator you know a moderator of some sort just for that session and you wanna make sure that people can tweet in questions for the speaker.
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You know that might be one way to do it however, again people can only monitor one hashtag at a time and for those that do wanna pay attention to what else is going on at the same time not very often than in one session you know paying attention to the speaker and you know monitoring the Twitter feed and getting good nuggets of information that aren’t actually happening in the room next door because people are tweeting out things that the speaker is saying at another session. Now, that of course you know seems a little ADD. You know press quickly some of your attention from you know the speaker that you’re looking to but again I think it goes back to and we’ve talked about this before the whole other you know engagement strategy you know having the speakers that are going to hold your attention.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Then you know you’re gonna be less likely to maybe you paying attention to the Twitter feed you know other rooms or you know God forbid checking your email or doing something that’s completely unrelated to you know the conference that you’re attending and that often you know relies on the speaker to have good content engagement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that’s very interesting too because I love to sometimes when I don’t see a conference that I can’t go to I’ll just go and watch the Twitter stream go by. You know I put up my own tweet deck or whatever I watch and it’s very interesting to me to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did that for PCMA last year and quite honestly it really did. I mean I was dealing the events virtually you know if I was watching the speakers on the screen but I was also tweeting. I was participating in the tweeter conversation just as if I was there which was really cool. I mean I pretty much I’m also like I was there I was just missing the face-to-face interaction with a lot of the people that I you know did know on the Twitter so you know. Oh you know Mike McAllen is there or you know [0:17:13] [Inaudible] Connelly in there. I wanna be at that event too. I wanted you know see them face-to-face and have a drink with them after these sessions or you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But when you’re virtual you get a lot of good content, you can participate in their conversation you know I’m missing that face-to-face you know piece of it. So I did have a little quick chat with [0:17:38] [Inaudible] about her experience at WEC because she was a virtual attendee this year and I really just wanted to see you know how she felt as a virtual attendee regarding you know the Twitter Feed and that kind of stuff and she pointed out that since younger people are more comfortable with the medium but the folks that had been around longer are more comfortable with the content.
So it’s an interesting you know way to look at it concerning most of our population is not on Twitter yet or are just you know trying to learn it now. They’ve got a lot of good content and knowledge but they’re not as comfortable with you know tweeting and all in using these platforms to you know share in the same way.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: From a personal perspective that was how I felt when I started and I still I don’t tweet like from my office on kind of regular basis I use it when I’m at a show to try and add to the conversation. So I use it in specific ways but I don’t just sit here let’s say and tweet out who I’m going to lunch with or what I’m having for lunch or when I’m doing my laundry or something you know.
Speaker 2: Right. Right.
Speaker 1: And so I limit my tweeting mostly to things that I think are relevant to the people who might be following me and that was kind of a thing I had to learn and had to come to understand how that works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the reason I started on a new topic was I felt like three years ago when I was just starting to learn Twitter and it was at WEC that I learned. I first signed up right before I first start using it there you know people I feel like the community was a little bit more forgiving three years ago and it was okay because you know pretty much everybody was still learning it. So you know it was okay to make mistakes and people were you know willing to help you learn and you know I had great you know Twitter mentors.
I was just trying to pay attention to the people that were using it and you know how they will use it whereas today I feel like it’s a little bit more eluded and it’s not as welcoming because a lot of us that haven’t been using it for a couple of years now we have gotten to know each other. We’ve all met face-to-face whether it’s at EventCamp or we’ve met you know at WEC over the last three years or you know and so I saw a lot of the conversation going on in the WEC hashtag was those of us that did know each other was you know tweet each other and you know making jokes and there was a lot more socializing and not as much you know sharing of contents. It’s like you know the past couple of years. Did you guys notice that all or do you feel like you know I’m off base with all of that?
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Speaker 1: No, in fact I would say that I observed a little bit from my own perspective there’s kind of an insular community within the meetings industry that are very, very active and I would say there’s probably a group that you could count in the hundreds who are the people who are regularly using Twitter for example using that tool and I don’t see a lot of new names popping in. I don’t see a lot of fresh voices or things. I kind of see a lot of the same people a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I almost wonder if it hasn’t really penetrated far enough into the industry to be useful. I mean we all use it and we all have an understanding of it like you’re saying but how are we reaching out to people who aren’t using it at all. I mean I had someone like me and [0:21:30] [Inaudible] in Vancouver WEC because I was saying I don’t really understand Twitter and I’m not really sure how to use to it and she talked to me about it and it was kind of an advocate for it and brought me along.
It’s like you have something that’s interesting to say, here’s how to do it and really encouraged me and that helped me going forward. I didn’t feel so self-conscious and so awkward and I wonder if this kind of Event Profs community that we have is a little bit insular right now and we’re not trying to expand it enough.
I also think there’s a lot more hashtags now too so people [glum] onto other ones and they won’t be you know like seems like you know there is engage 365. There’s you know ASAE people use that. There’s a lot more of them now too and there seems like there’s a ton of it in fact like GMIC. Do they have their own?
Speaker 3: [0:22:29] [Inaudible].
Speaker 1: Green Meetings is another hashtag. This is like so many hashtags now too that and then as we said for your meetings you know people they just tweet for that meeting you know they’re not really part of the Event Profs group or the chat group. I don’t know. It’s an interesting thought. I think you’re right though. I mean I think that –
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: – it’s very insular and I can see that in people all the time you know. I just kind of flashed on. I remember back when AOL started they used to have chat rooms and it’s a little bit like that in a way because if you would go to a certain chat area like I got very involved at one time in a tourism travel area one about London and about England because I like travelling there and I was talking to people all the time and it was sort of like what I’m seeing with Twitter. I mean there was a community built around it but it wasn’t a community that added a lot of people all time. Occasionally, some would sort of wonder in but most of us knew each other and it got to the point where a huge group of people all went to England together and had Thanksgiving in England you know and those sorts of things all grew out of this but it seems like community sort of evolved in that way and they don’t necessarily keep expanding or outreaching.
Speaker 2: Uh-hum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was part of the thing to try to bring other people and to have the Silicon Valley Event Camp because I was trying to get new people in. I think kinda a thing you know like the community around it. There is the insular group but that’s any kind of group I guess. You know you –
Speaker 2: Uh-hum.
Speaker 1: – you like something you stick with it then if somebody breaks in they break in you know start being involved but it takes a little bit once it’s already started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, any association deals with you know you have the cool kids for lack of a better term, right. You know your members that have been members for a long time. It’s hard to remind them to make new people feel welcome, right. Even at a face-to-face events. So you know I think the Twitter Feed is just you know basically just kind of you know representative of you know what’s probably happening at the event which is another good reason to monitor it because even if it’s not you know your whole group you know not on Twitter it might be you know it’s large enough percentage of your group to really fee to give you the sense of what’s going on in the hallways even though you know people are talking about it on Twitter instead.
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Speaker 1: That’s very interesting and it’s very relevant like you say to your face-to-face meetings and things as well. One of my best MPI memories is at one point I was in San Diego Chapter. I was in San Diego for a number of years and the first MPI meeting that I went to down there you know you’re walking in, you don’t know anybody, you’re kind of just awkward and nervous feeling no matter how experienced you are because you don’t know these people and Chris Cunnings who was in the chapter down there I walked to the door, she saw me, she didn’t recognize me, she walked across the room and it’s like hi, who are you? Let me introduce you to some people. Let me find out what I have to do and having somebody like that in your group who looks around for the people who are little bewildered or a little not sure where to go really makes a difference. It really helps your organization and that’s something I think we can carry to not just Twitter and not just social media but to our actual in person meetings as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is engaging people in that way, getting them involved and bringing them in and making them feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: Well said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. That’s great. And it’s a whole new dynamic isn’t it? All this stuff because it’s follows online.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don’t think anybody has quite figured it out. I was talking with the producer last night and I said it’s kind of to me still like hybrid meetings and all of these things that people are trying to put their arms around. It’s like the early days of television. People are writing the rules still
Speaker 2: Uh-hum.
Speaker 1: You know that can be in the late 40s early 50s there were no rules. So you just did what made sense to you and you got some really big colossal failures and some really interesting successes but there was no manuals. There was no way that this is how you produce television the way that there is now you know 50 years down the road.
Speaker 3: Well, just like Elizabeth said the whole hashtag thing that we’re talking about was developed by people who are using the system. They didn’t come up with it you know I mean the Twitter founders didn’t come up with it just evolved constantly.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yes and this signage I’m finding you know new websites everyday about how to you know make my you know social media more efficient you know. It’s like crowd booster and social mention I mean there’s a new website that I still look almost everyday recently like this week. You know it just all come to my attention for some reason but you know all these you know businesses basically that are founded around you know just your Twitter you know conversations or Facebook or whatever it is. So I think yeah, like in the early days of any other technology people are just trying to you know rush in and make some money off of it because it’s you know the new thing. That’s what everybody is doing so.
Speaker 1: Right. And it’s interesting to me too because I got into the Twitter thing a long time ago and I got just sick of it kinda because I was spending so much time you know just following links. You know people would oh, there’s a link you know and what my nap size attention span it was surely bad because I kept going to something else, something else. I think it’s really important to have somebody like you who can help people along you know with the strategy behind it because I mean I always — the same with you I’ll come up with that cool little site. I think oh, my God I keep following this to see how we’re doing with this and that and then I don’t do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I’m off on my Twitter stream going oh look at this you know something shiny.
Speaker 2: Right. And that’s because you have you know a business to operate and run outside of you know media efforts.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: To be just you know supporting what you’re doing whereas you know in theory you know somebody that’s sitting all day on social media researching these 10 things you know I’m doing it for like 10 or you know do not recommend it to my client you know down the road. I can say yeah, you know I took this a little bit to see how you know now like you know I either see you using it or not. So yeah.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: And that’s like the perfect set up Elizabeth for the live meetings we’re gonna do on the 27th.
Speaker 2: Exactly. So.
Speaker 3: Running this write down the path for everyone [Cross-talk].
Speaker 2: On the 27th. Yeah, we’re gonna be talking about this exact topic you know. So many websites so little time you know for planners who has the time to deal with all of this. Jon and are gonna talk about it maybe have a little tweet up if we can get you know some people to join us down in San Diego at the Omni on the 27th at 4pm.
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Speaker 1: It should be a lot of fun. It ties right into the Chapter MPI. This is the San Diego Chapter mixer and after that there’s a baseball game which is available. So it’s like a really kind of a cool time down the gaps at district. The Omni this is a wonderful hotel. I’m really looking forward to checking that out and I haven’t seen parking a couple of years. I’m looking forward and checking that out.
Speaker 2: Wow. Exactly.
Speaker 1: So I mean it really should be a lot of fun and we’re hoping that we’re gonna have a nice turnout and see some folks there who listened to the podcast who happened to be in San Diego.
So can I ask a question about that cool thing? Because I’m not down right to San Francisco but I’m trying to get down there. I’ve love to go to it. So what’s exactly going on that week? You’re putting the tweet up against something else an MPI maybe.
Speaker 3: What we’re doing is we’re having the tweet up an hour before the MPI and [0:31:07] [Inaudible] combined mixer.
Speaker 1: Oh, great.
Speaker 3: Those are happening like a block away from the Omni at five o’clock. So we’re gonna meet from four to five and then we’ll walk over to the mixer from five to six and then we’ll have a baseball game at seven.
Speaker 1: That’s awesome. So that is also another good reason to you know get people to go that they can talk about Twitter and you know.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: All these questions at a perfect time. That’s perfect.
Speaker 3: If you’re already coming down to the MPI Chapter Meeting it’s free to come to our tweet up. There’s no charge and so we’re just hoping the people made come down an hour earlier and have a chance to talk about social media a little bit.
Speaker 1: That’s awesome. So there is eBite for that, right. So where’s…
Speaker 3: Yup.
Speaker 1: Where can I find that?
Speaker 3: It’s not [0:31:54] [Inaudible]. It’s not on our LinkedIn. A group or a Meetings Podcast. There’s a Facebook event created that you can also find it on a template. It’s September 27 in San Diego at the Omni.
Speaker 1: Awesome. And I’ll put the link on our site too. So if they want to go to the Meetings Podcast site they can click on there.
Speaker 3: That sounds great.
Speaker 1: Perfect. Right. Alright. Cool. Alright. Well, thanks guys. I think we’ve talked hashtags into the ground so if anyone else has any questions they can — Elizabeth, how can people get a hold of you?
Speaker 2: So you can find me if you are already on Twitter you can find me at Elizabeth Glau. You can find my Facebook Page is a great place for you to post the questions because then other people can see the questions and you know I’m hoping lots of people at the same time the Facebook Page is Building Blocks Social Media and my email is eglau which eglau@basicsocialmediatraining.com.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Awesome. And then Jon people can find you at…
Speaker 3: Oh, so many different places.
Speaker 1: Where are you on Twitter? What’s your — you’re Jon Trask on Twitter and…
Speaker 3: I’m Jon Trask on Twitter. Yes.
Speaker 1: Awesome. And then jon@grassshack — what’s our email?
Speaker 3: grassshack.com.
Speaker 1: And I am at mike@grassshackroad.com and also mmcallen that’s mmcallen on the Twitter. Alright guys. Thank you so much and I’d hope I can get down there on September 27th to San Diego but if I don’t, have a great time and I look forward to listening to the whole show.
Speaker 3: And just another reminder for folks who are coming up on our 200 show we have no specific plans yet but we’re coming up on our 200 show.
Speaker 2: Ooh, who wants to [0:33:58] [Inaudible] it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should have a big party. We’d hire [Cross-talk].
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Alright. Guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Have a great week.
Speaker 1: I’ll see you both later.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Bye. Bye.
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